Save us from ourselves…

I like twitter. I get spammed with great short bursts of wisdom and good links all day long. Like this one from @elsander6 + 2 questions for the hell debate. Read it and read the article it in turn links too. Here are my answers to the eight questions.

1. Is God a being or the source of our being?

I would say both, and understood like Morgan (the author of the first article) describes the “ancient christian view”.

God was the source of all being, expressed most  succinctly in Colossians 1:17: ”In Him all things hold together.”

He outlines this idea more in the comments.

As far as the ontological question about God’s relation to our being, I really think that the problem with Western Christianity is nominalism, the idea that God is just another being in the universe which is held in place by His externally-imposed will, instead of the sacramental view from the first half of Christian history that God is the only “real” thing in the universe and all other things are contingent upon God for their being.

All of the arguments about free will vs. determinism, etc, disappear under the sacramental ontology, because if God is the source of our existence, then following God’s will for our lives is not submitting to some arbitrary omnipotent bully completely outside of us, but instead connecting fully with the source of our being instead of getting tossed around by idolatrous fetishes that don’t represent our true desires.

And I really like and more or less completely agree with the conclusions he puts forth.

If all things depend on God for existence and hell is eternal separation from God, then hell is the non-existence that results from rejecting the source of our being. The punitive nature of hell becomes literal rather than metaphorical only in modernity when it becomes possible to imagine existence independent of the presence of God.

2. Is God’s primary agenda to love His creation or defend His glory?

What a great source of mistakes and violence this has been. Thinking that God needs to defend His glory or Himself in any way. Especially when we from it derive that we need to help Him in that!

The God who did anything but defend Himself, not even with words, to the amazement of the authorities.

Then Pilate said to Him, “Don’t You hear how much they are testifying against You?” But He didn’t answer him on even one charge, so that the governor was greatly amazed. – Matt 27:13-14

Who instead humbled Himself, and let Himself be killed!

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death — even to death on a cross. – Phil 2:8

Who’s primary agenda was indeed to love His creation.

For God so loved the world… – John 3:16

3. Is God’s justice primarily retributive or restorative?

I’d go with restorative. This is what sets it apart. It is not about punishment, or settling debts, or vengence. God’s justice brings shalom, the peace that is when everything is restored, healed, reconciled, and re-created in the way it was intended to be.

… if hell serves the purpose of restorative justice, then it isn’t a punishment measured out in proportion to the offensiveness of sin, but the denial of eternal communion to sinners who have refused the means by which God offers to heal and reconcile them with the people hurt by their sin.

4. Is God’s holiness an intolerance for imperfection or an intolerable perfection?

I’ll go with Morgan’s explaination in the comments on his article for this one.

Holiness is of course more than just “intolerable.” It’s also awe-inspiring, beautiful, wonderful, etc. In the context of describing hell as a product of God’s holiness, the question would be whether God cannot tolerate sin or sin cannot tolerate God. I like to say it the second way because it preserves God’s sovereignty and perfect benevolence. God doesn’t need to “react” to sin with wrath. Being entirely self-sufficient, God’s God-ness simply IS wrath to sin, which cannot survive its encounter with His holiness.

5. When we escape hell, is it because God changed His mind about us or because we changed our minds about God?

This:

Jesus’ death on the cross is often presented as the reason Jesus’ wrathful Father changes His mind about damning all humanity to hell. The objection to this is to point out that it breaks the Son and Father into two separate gods, rather than one single triune God. If God is truly both Son and Father, then He does not need to be persuaded by His own actions, which would seem to indicate that the cross is supposed to change our minds about God instead.

I think he nailed it there. But I also make the same interjection as Bram. There is more to it than a change of mind.

I would say there also is an ontological change in the universe due to the incarnation, cross, and resurrection (death, evil and sin being defeated Christus Victor-wise).

6. Are we saved by proving something to God or does God save us from having something to prove?

We are, as I implied with the title of this post, saved from ourselves. Saved from our ambition to show how great we are, our need to succeed by our own might, our striving to stand on our own, our longing to have everything under our own control, our inhibition to grasp that God doesn’t demand anything for His love, our failure to trust in His grace.

If on the other hand, salvation describes how God liberates us from thinking that we need to earn His approval, then hell could be our delusional imprisonment to the need to prove our worth to God…

7. Is the scope of salvation focused on saving single persons of on saving the cosmos as a whole?

When we make it about the single person, or even just about people, we make the scope way too small. The scope is the cosmos, all creation will be reconciled and saved, the whole universe. But that includes every single person. I am convinced that Jonah33, even if their song is cast in the mainstream evangelical mold, had it right when they sang:

You know that even if you were the only one… His reason was simply you…  it was all for you…

The single person matters as much to God as the whole cosmos. He is the shepard who would leave the 99 to find that one lost sheep.

8. Is the gospel centered on the saved person or in the reign of Jesus and the Kingdom of God?

As with the previous question, the problem of our age is individualism, so I would focus on proclaiming the wider scope of a salvation that is for the whole cosmos. Therefore I will go with the gospel being about the Kingdom of God. The good news is the proclaimation that Christ is Lord of all, that the Kingdom has come, that Jesus is the risen king, and he will reign for ever and ever. But as Kingdom people, as citizens of Heaven, as followers of Christ our king, the good news are centered on us serving every individual, to love them, each one, as we love ourselves.

I want to go with something like a communal indiviualism. Where we are included in a greater scope and purpose. We are brought out of our individual deaths into the communal life that is the Kingdom of God. Not for our own sake, but for our own worth. If that makes any sense. If it doesn’t, I’ll have to expand on it later.

Anyways, that’s my answers.

Title taken from, my all time favorites, Jars of Clay’s song Hero.

I remember a year…

They’re awesome. Nothing more to say really, it is as simple as that!

A Christmas Story – Epilogue…

A Christmas Story… is a playlist I’ve (re)made from a collection of the best christmas songs and hymns me and my friends could find on Spotify. I arranged the songs to let the lyrics do the telling of the greatest story ever told.

Epilogue – Love Came Down

O Holy Night

Truly He taught us to love one another, His law is love and His gospel is peace. Chains he shall break, for the slave is our brother. And in his name all oppression shall cease. Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we, with all our hearts we praise His holy name.

Love Came Down At Christmas

Love came down at Christmas, Love all lovely, Love divine. Love was born at Christmas, star and angels gave the sign. Love will be our token, Love be yours and love be mine. Love from God to all of us, Love for plea and gift and sign.

He Has Come For Us (God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen)

He has come for us this Jesus, He’s the hope for all mankind. He has come for us the Messiah, Born to give us life.

Go, Tell It On The Mountain

Down in a lowly manger the humble Christ was born. And God sent us salvation that blessèd Christmas morn. Go, tell it on the mountain, over the hills and everywhere. Go, tell it on the mountain, that Jesus Christ is born.

Holy, Holy, Holy Lord

Holy, holy, holy Lord, God of power and might. Heaven and earth are full of Your glory. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna, In the highest!

 

Now that our celebration is over, we might still wonder what it was all about. Christmas gets far more attention than its role in the New Testament warrants, as Professor Wright put it in an article I recently read. But it’s the start of the climax of the greatest story ever told I’d say. A story of a broken, lost world, gone so far from the way its creator had planned for it. But not far from its creator. Because, as Wright writes, He is not a god who watches from the distance, and  intervenes from the outside. He  is always present and active within His world. He is always trying to bring it back to him. This is why one time, roughly 2000 years ago, the Creator became flesh, became a human, became a child. In the words of St. Augustine.

He wished to become one of our children in order to make us His Children.

For further reading on the subject of Jesus’ birth, I’d recommend the article by N.T. Wright that I mentioned.

A Christmas Story – Act 3…

A Christmas Story… is a playlist I’ve (re)made from a collection of the best christmas songs and hymns me and my friends could find on Spotify. I arranged the songs to let the lyrics do the telling of the greatest story ever told.

Act 3 – Mary’s Contemplation

Silent Night 

Son of God, Love’s pure light radiant beams from Thy holy face, With the dawn of redeeming grace. Jesus Lord, at Thy birth, Heaven is coming to earth.

Bethlehem Town

Oh, Mary, Joseph, rest your eyes. Try not to think of the ending. World full of empty, He will die, but tonight He is still just a child. The silent night drifts all away, and the angels are dancing around you. There’s the joy of knowing He’ll save the world, overshadowing the pain that He’ll go through. Have you cursed at the wind? Have you cried to the heavens? Have you fought with this mercy you don’t understand? When the wise men kneel down to kiss the hand of this king they found, in Bethlehem town.

What Child Is This

So bring Him incense, gold and myrrh, come peasant, king to own Him; The King of kings salvation brings, Let loving hearts enthrone Him. This, this is Christ the King, Whom shepherds guard and angels sing; Haste, haste, to bring Him laud, The Babe, the Son of Mary.

Mary Did You Know

Mary did you know that your baby boy, is Lord of all creation? Mary did you know that your baby boy, will one day rule the nations? Did you know that your baby boy, Has come to make you new? This child that you’ve delivered. Did you know that your baby boy, Is heaven’s perfect Lamb? This sleeping child you’re holding is the great I Am!

 

I just love the last song. Almost every time I listen to it, I’m struck with this profound amazement and bewilderment at the last words. The baby is the great “I am”, YHWH, God. As one of my pastors said, the incarnation is the greatest mystery of all. You have to wonder what Mary and Joseph were thinking. Did they know? Did they believe it? Did they understand that this was the child the prophets spoke of, their Messiah, God incarnate?

The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of deep darkness   a light has dawned. You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as warriors rejoice when dividing the plunder. For as in the day of Midian’s defeat,  you have shattered the yoke that burdens them, the bar across their shoulders, the rod of their oppressor. Every warrior’s boot used in battle and every garment rolled in blood will be destined for burning, will be fuel for the fire. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,  and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. – Isaiah 9:2-7

A Christmas Story – Act 2…

A Christmas Story… is a playlist I’ve (re)made from a collection of the best christmas songs and hymns me and my friends could find on Spotify. I arranged the songs to let the lyrics do the telling of the greatest story ever told.

Act 2 – Onwards to Bethlehem

Angels We Have Heard On High

Shepherds, why this jubilee? Why your joyous strains prolong? What the gladsome tidings be which inspire your heavenly song?

O Come All Ye Faithful

O sing, choirs of angels, O sing in exultation. O sing all ye bright hosts of heaven above, glory to God, sing. O come, let us adore Him, Christ the Lord.

Little Drummer Boy

Come they told me, a new born King to see. Our finest gifts we bring, to lay before the King. So to honor Him, when we come. Little Baby, I am a poor boy too. I have no gift to bring, that’s fit to give the King. Shall I play for you on my drum? Mary nodded, the ox and lamb kept time. I played my drum for Him, I played my best for Him! Pa rum pum pum pum!

Away In A Manger 

Away in a manger, no crib for His bed. The little Lord Jesus laid down His sweet head. The stars in the bright sky, looked down where He lay. The little Lord Jesus asleep on the hay.

 

Is this the Messiah? In a country, occupied by a tyrannical military nation, a bastard child is born to a young teenage girl. A girl whom most people would call an adulteress (who would buy that conceived by a holy spirit thing anyways?). He is put on some left over hay, in a stable. The first who hears about his birth are the shepherds, some of the lowest ranking members of society, some of the poorest. The only other visitors are three gentile magi, strangers from another country, of another religion. Somehow it all kinda fits nicely with Jesus’ mission statement.

The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour. – Luke 4:18, 19

He comes for the poor, the oppressed, the sick, the sinners, the uncool, the unwanted, the outcasts, the strangers, the unloved… well, I think you get the idea.

A Christmas Story – Act 1…

A Christmas Story… is a playlist I’ve (re)made from a collection of the best christmas songs and hymns me and my friends could find on Spotify. I arranged the songs to let the lyrics do the telling of the greatest story ever told.

Act 1 – The Angels Come

It Came Upon The Midnight Clear

That glorious song of old, from angels bending near the earth, to touch their harps of gold: ”Peace on the earth, goodwill to men, from heavens all gracious King!” The world in solemn stillness lay to hear the angels sing.

Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

“Glory to the newborn King! Peace on earth and mercy mild, God and sinners reconciled” Joyful, all ye nations rise, join the triumph of the skies and with the angelic host proclaim: ”Christ is born in Bethlehem”

Joy To The World

Joy to the World, the Savior reigns! Let men their songs employ; While fields and floods, rocks, hills and plains, repeat the sounding joy.

God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen

From God our Heavenly Father a blessed angel came; And unto certain shepherds brought tidings of the same: How that in Bethlehem was born the Son of God by Name.

Lo! How A Rose E’er Blooming

Isaiah ’twas foretold it, the Rose I have in mind. So then we behold it, the virgin mother kind. To show God’s love aright, she bore to us a Savior, when half spent was the night.

The First Noel

Born is the King of Israel!

 

As God had promised, Messiah was born. Announced by angels and celebrated by shepards. My favorite bible book, the gospel of John, starts as follows.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

This is what the angels were singing, God had come to earth, Emmanuel had come, God had come to be with us, and with him peace on earth, good will to all men!

The problem with the world…

Posting more lyrics from Downhere, my new favorite band. Listen to the song here on YouTube or here on Spotify.

There’s got to be some reason for all this misery
A secret evil corporation somewhere overseas
They’re pulling strings, arranging things, it’s a conspiracy

What about the ones who shape the course of history?
What if we petitioned for one grand apology?
I’ll write to my prime minister, you write your president

Well some would say the devil and his legions
They’ve put us in a headlock of submission
They lost all power over me, a long long time ago

And since I was a kid, you know, I’ve caused a lot of hurt
But no one taught me how to put myself first
It came so very naturally, I’m not a prodigy

Everybody’s wondering how the world could get this way
If God is good, then how it could be filled with so much pain
It’s not the age old mystery we’ve made it out to be
There’s a problem with the world
The problem with the world is me

So I will look no further than a mirror
That’s where the offender hides
So great is my need for a redeemer
I cannot trust myself
So I’ll trust in someone else

I fell for this song at once, simply because it’s message is so close to my favorite Jacques Ellul quote:

If the time comes when despair sees violence as the only possible way, it is because Christians were not what they should have been. If violence is unleashed anywhere at all, the Christians are always to blame. This is the criterion, as it were, of the confession of sin. Always, it is because Christians have not been concerned for the poor, have not defended the cause of the poor before the powerful, have not unswervingly fought the fight for justice, that violence breaks out.

The underlying meaning of the confession that I read aloud every sunday then is this; The problem with the world is me.

The God I thought I knew…

Your spirit hovers over my waters
Your love burns longer than the sun
The skies of thunder echo Your wonder
Your praises can’t be over sung
The whole universe is witness
To only a part of what You’ve done

You see my weakness, my pride, my blindness
You wield your power through them all
Of all the mysteries, still, the greatest to me
Is that You’re faithful when I fall
How can I say I know You
When what I know is still so small

Let me rediscover you
And breathe in me Your life anew
Tell me of the God I never knew
And let me rediscover You

Let me cry “Holy, holy, holy!”
Let me awaken to Your majesty
And see a glimmer of Your glory
Let me abide in You

Let me rediscover You
And by Your grace I’ll follow through
Reveal to me the God I thought I knew
Jesus, let me rediscover You.

Great voice, great lyrics, great music! Thanks to my brother, who pointed me to their version of “What Child is This”, I think I’ve found a new band to enjoy.

A Christmas Story – Prologue…

A Christmas Story… is a playlist I’ve (re)made from a collection of the best christmas songs and hymns me and my friends could find on Spotify. I arranged the songs to let the lyrics do the telling of the greatest story ever told.

Prologue – Advent

O come, O come Emmanuel

O come, Thou Day-spring, come and cheer our spirits by Thine advent here; disperse the gloomy clouds of night, and death’s dark shadows put to flight. Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel shall come to thee, o Israel.

Bereden Väg för Herran (Prepare the way, O Zion!)

O Zion, He approaches, Your Lord and King for you. Strew palms where He advances, spread garments in His way. God’s promise never fails, Hosanna sound forever!

Breath of Heaven (Mary’s Song)

I have traveled many moonless nights, cold and weary with a babe inside. I wonder what I’ve done? Holy Father, You have come and chosen me now to carry Your son.

Gläns Över Sjö och Strand (Shine over lakes and land)

Night over our land, night over Zion. In the western sky Orion fades. The tired shepard sleeps, the child in his sweet dreams, awakened by the wonderful chorus of voices. Shine with wonderous light, star in the east.

We Three Kings Of Orient Are

We three kings of Orient are bearing gifts we travel afar. Field and fountain, moor and mountain, following yonder star.

Det Är En Ros Utsprungen (Instrumental version of Lo! How A Rose E’er Blooming)

 

Advent is the coming of the Messiah, the Lord. “A time of expectant waiting and preparation for the celebration of the nativity of Jesus at Christmas.” according to Wikipedia. “The season of Advent serves as a reminder both of the original waiting that was done by the Hebrews for the birth of their Messiah as well as the waiting of Christians”… for the Parousia, the second coming of Christ. Then as we wait for Christmas, to celebrate the promises that were fullfilled when Christ was born, we know that He will return again, as was promised, because “God’s promise never fails”.

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” - Acts 1:11

They’ll know we are christians…

I was hungry and you drove past my refugee camp with food for your troops.
I was thirsty and you told me you the situation was too insecure to fix the water supply.
I was a stranger and you refused to learn my language or culture.
I was naked and you walked past in your battle armour.
I was sick with preventable diseases and you told me you had to train people to kill so I would be safe.
I was in prison, held without charge and no one could visit me because no one knew where I was or even whether I was alive.

Paraphrases of Matthew 25:42-43 by Simon Moyle, because as the hymn says, they’ll know we are christians by our love?!